Soissons
Alaid
Gilbert
Guy
de Vermandois
Guy was the count of Soissons. He was likely the son of Heribert
II, count of Vermandois and probably count of Soissons as well. Guy's
name appears in a 974 charter in which Lothair of France confirmed the
privileges of monastery of Saint-Thierry near Reims. Lothair also confirmed
the monastery of Saint-Eloy de Noyon in memory of Guy's brother Liudolf of
Vermandois, bishop of Noyon and Tournai. Guy founded the abbey at
Saint-Quentin near Péronne, and visited Rome in the mid-980s. He died after
989 and before Alaid's second marriage in 992.
Nocher
I in 992
Countess of Soissons
Alaid became countess of Soissons on her marriage to Guy, count of Soissons.
De S. Simone Comite et Monachio in Acta
Sanctorum Septembris vol 8 p720 (ed. G. H. Pertz, 1851)
47 Ex ista Charta satis intelligimus, quomodo Barrensis comitatus,
exstincta majorum suorum stirpe masculina, dominium adepta sit mater
Simonis et post illius ac patris Rodulfi obitum ipsemet Simon:
at quæri potest, qua de causa Nocherius seu Nocherus, Achardi
filius et Simonis proavus, vocitetur ibidem comes
Suessionum, non item Nocherius II, illius filius et heres, vel
alius ex posteris. Rationem colligendam præbet Bouchetus in
Dissertatione his verbis ex gallico latine redditis: Nocherius I
hujus nominis (Achardi nempe filius) comes Barensis ab Albam
anno 992 uxorem duxit Alaidem (Alix) comitissam Suessionensem,
filiam comitis Gilberti, viduam Guidonis Viromanduensem, et matrem
Rainaudi comitis Suessionensis, anno 1057 defuncti.... Ex conjugio
Nocherii et Alaidis nati sunt Nocherius II, comes Barensis, et Wido
seu Guido clericus. De comitibus Suessionensibus agunt Chesnius in
Historia familiæ Castellionææ pag. 150 et seqq.; Sammarthani tom. I
Historiæ genealogicæ domus Franciæ pag. 376 et fuse Claudius Dormay
lib. 5 Historiæ Suessionensis, statuuntque omnes Guidonem Suessionum
comitem sub regibus Lothario et Hugone Capeto, id est, senescente
sæculo 10, ac Guidoni filium et successorem assignant Rainaudum,
anno 1057 vita functum: sed de uxore Guidonis et Rainaudi matre aut
de hujus secundis nuptiis cum Nocherio Barensi, nil nos docent. An
ea ex vetustis monumentis eruerit Bouchetus incompertum mihi est.
Sed ex modo, quo rem disponit, omnino sequitur, non alio ex capite
Nocherium I dictum fuisse Suessionum comitem, quam quia comitis
Suessionensis viduam duxerat, et comitatum istum, forte quod
privignus Rainaudus minorennis esset, aliquamdiu gubernarit: atque
sic declaratur, cur Nocherii successores tantum Barrenses, non autem
Suessionenses comites appellari potuerint.
This roughly translates as:
47 From this Charter we understand
sufficiently how the county of Bar, the male line of his ancestors
having become extinct, was acquired by Simon's mother and after
the death of her and her father Rodulf, Simon himself: but it
may be asked why Nocherius or Nocher, son of Achard and
great-grandfather of Simon, is there called count of
Soissons, and not Nocher II, his son and heir, or another of his
descendants. Bouchet provides a reason for collecting it in his
Dissertation in these words rendered from French into Latin: Nocher
I of this name (son of Achard, that is to say) count of
Bar-sur-Aube in the year 992 married Alaid (Alix), countess of
Soissons, daughter of count Gilbert, widow of Guy of Vermandois, and
mother of Rainaud, count of Soissons, deceased in the year 1057.... From
the marriage of Nocher and Alaid were born Nocher II, count of Bar, and
Wido or Guy the cleric. Du Chesne deals with the counts of Soissons in
his History of the Castellian Family, page 150 et seqq.; Sammarthani,
volume I, Historia genealogicae domus Franciae, page 376, and Claudius
Dormay, book 5, Historia Suessonne, and they all establish Guy as count
of Soissons under kings Lothair and Hugh Capet, that is, in the 10th
century, and assign Guy as his son and successor, Raynaud, who died in
1057: but they tell us nothing about the wife of Guy and the mother of
Raynaud, or about her second marriage with Nocher of Bar. Whether
Bouchet has extracted it from the old monuments is unknown to me. But
from the way in which he arranges the matter, it follows that Nocher I
was called count of Soissons for no other reason than because he had
married the widow of the count of Soissons, and had governed that county
for some time, perhaps because his stepson Raynaud was younger: and thus
it is explained why Nocher's successors could only be called counts of
Bar, but not of Soissons.
Histoire de Bar-sur-Aube pages xiii-xiv
(Henri d’Arbois de Jubainville, 1859)
Les comtes héréditaires de Bar-sur-Aube (1) descendent d’un normand
appelé Achard (Achardus), qui fonda, au Xe siècle,
la petite ville de la Ferté-sur-Aube. De sa femme Achardie (Achardia)
il eut un fils, Nocher Ier, qui épousa, en 992, Alaïs ou
Adélaïde, comtesse de Soissons. Adélaïde avait eu d’un premier mariage
avec Guy de Vermandois, mort après l’année 989, un fils nommé Rainaud,
qui succéda au comté de Soissons après le décès de sa mère, en 1047 au
plus tard (2). De Nocher Ier elle eut un second fils qui
porta le même nom que son père qui après le décès de ce dernier devint
comte de Bar-sur-Aube, au commencement du XIe siècle, et
qui se signala par des libéralités envers l’abbaye de Saint-Claude
(1).
(1) Le principal travail à consulter est le Commentaire sur
la vie de saint Simon, ap. BOLLAND, septembre,
VIII, page 711 et suivantes.
(2) Art de vérifier les dates, II, 727.
(1) Il est le premier pour qui la qualité de comte de Bar-sur-Aube
soit rigoureusement prouvée (Charte de 1076 ap. BOLLAND,
septembre, VIII, 733 E.F.). M. CHEVALĪER, Histoire
de Bar-sur-Aube, page 126, lui donne pour prédécesseur un
certain Hérard, parent d’Herbert II, comte de Vermandois; mais nous
doutons que ce soit sur des autorités suffisantes.
This roughly translates as:
The
hereditary counts of Bar-sur-Aube (1) descended from a Norman named
Achard (Achardus), who founded the small town of Ferté-sur-Aube
in the 10th century. By his wife Achardie (Achardia), he had a
son, Nocher I, who married Alaïs, or Adelaide, countess of Soissons, in
992. From a first marriage to Guy de Vermandois, who died after 989,
Adelaide had a son named Rainaud, who succeeded to the county of
Soissons following his mother's death, no later than 1047 (2). By Nocher
I, she had a second son who bore the same name as his father; following
the latter's death in the early 11th century, he became count of
Bar-sur-Aube and distinguished himself through his acts of generosity
toward the abbey of Saint-Claude (1).
(1) The
primary work to consult is the Commentary on the Life of Saint Simon
(in BOLLAND, September, VIII, page 711 et seq.).
(2) Art de vérifier les dates, II, 727.
(1) He is the first for whom the title of count of Bar-sur-Aube
is conclusively proven (Charter of 1076; cf. BOLLAND,
September, VIII, 733 E.F.). M. CHEVALĪER, in Histoire
de Bar-sur-Aube, page 126, identifies a certain Hérard, a relative
of Herbert II, count of Vermandois, as his predecessor; however, we
question whether this claim rests on sufficient authority.
- De S. Simone Comite et Monachio in Acta
Sanctorum Septembris vol 8 p720 (ed. G. H. Pertz, 1851);
Medieval
Lands (ADELISA)
- De S. Simone Comite et Monachio in Acta
Sanctorum Septembris vol 8 p720 (ed. G. H. Pertz, 1851);
Histoire de Bar-sur-Aube pages xiii-xiv
(Henri d’Arbois de Jubainville, 1859); Medieval
Lands (ADELISA); Guy father from Histoire de la ville de Soissons vol 2 p3
( Claude Dormay, 1664); Guy notes from Histoire de la ville de Soissons vol 2
pp3-5 (Claude Dormay, 1664); Histoire de la maison de Chastillon-sur-Marne
p150 (André Du Chesne, 1621); Histoire de Bar-sur-Aube pages xiii-xiv
(Henri d’Arbois de Jubainville, 1859); wikipedia
(Guy I of Soissons), Medieval
Lands (GUY); Guy death from Histoire de Bar-sur-Aube pages xiii-xiv
(Henri d’Arbois de Jubainville, 1859)
- De S. Simone Comite et Monachio in Acta
Sanctorum Septembris vol 8 p720 (ed. G. H. Pertz, 1851);
Histoire de Bar-sur-Aube page xiii
(Henri d’Arbois de Jubainville, 1859); Medieval
Lands (GUY)
- Annales Ordinis S. Benedicti Occidentalium
Monachorum Patriarchae p702 (1707) contains a charter
subscribed by "Notcherii comitis, Notcherii filii ejus, Adelliſſæ
comitiſſæ"; De S. Simone Comite et Monachio in Acta
Sanctorum Septembris vol 8 p720 (ed. G. H. Pertz, 1851);
Histoire de Bar-sur-Aube page xiii
(Henri d’Arbois de Jubainville, 1859); Medieval
Lands (NOCHER [I] de la Ferté-sur-Aube)
- De S. Simone Comite et Monachio in Acta
Sanctorum Septembris vol 8 p720 (ed. G. H. Pertz, 1851);
Medieval
Lands (NOCHER [I] de la Ferté-sur-Aube)
- De S. Simone Comite et Monachio in Acta
Sanctorum Septembris vol 8 p720 (ed. G. H. Pertz, 1851);
Histoire de Bar-sur-Aube pages xiii-xiv
(Henri d’Arbois de Jubainville, 1859); Medieval
Lands (ADELISA)
- De S. Simone Comite et Monachio in Acta
Sanctorum Septembris vol 8 p720 (ed. G. H. Pertz, 1851);
Histoire de Bar-sur-Aube pages xiii-xiv
(Henri d’Arbois de Jubainville, 1859); Medieval
Lands (ADELISA)
Gilbert
Count
Gilbert is referred to as a count in De S. Simone Comite et Monachio in Acta
Sanctorum Septembris vol 8 p720 (ed. G. H. Pertz, 1851), but
it is not known of which region.
De S. Simone Comite et Monachio in Acta
Sanctorum Septembris vol 8 p720 (ed. G. H. Pertz, 1851)
Rationem
colligendam præbet Bouchetus in Dissertatione his verbis ex gallico
latine redditis: Nocherius I hujus nominis (Achardi nempe
filius) comes Barensis ab Albam anno 992 uxorem duxit Alaidem (Alix)
comitissam Suessionensem, filiam comitis Gilberti, viduam Guidonis
Viromanduensem, et matrem Rainaudi comitis Suessionensis, anno 1057
defuncti
This roughly translates as:
Bouchet provides a reason for collecting it in
his Dissertation in these words rendered from French into Latin:
Nocher I of this name (son of Achard, that is to say) count of
Bar-sur-Aube in the year 992 married Alaid (Alix), countess of
Soissons, daughter of count Gilbert, widow of Guy of Vermandois, and
mother of Rainaud, count of Soissons, deceased in the year 1057
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